scemo: La volpe ti fisserà per sempre

se rebellant en n’faisant pas ses devoirs d’art (

scemo) wrote,
@ 2009-10-06 20:30:00

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La volpe ti fisserà per sempre

The scanner cut it off. D:

(6B pencil.)

I’m rather proud of this one. ^^

(Pencil crayons and exactly two hours and thirty minutes.)

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	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 01:50 am UTC (link)
	Very awesome! I'm amazed how much detail you can put into the teapot! Mine would like... like this, actually. And the fox is ridiculously good. jealous But what is a pencil crayon? Like, a colored pencil? (Reply to this) (Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 01:56 am UTC (link)
	Pencil crayons. Perhaps 'tis a strictly Canadian term . . . either way, I dislike it -- 'crayon de couleur' FTW. Did you just draw that théière? :D 'cause it's made of win. And thank you. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:18 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, here we call them colored pencils. Yep, just drew it! Why are you the only one who appreciates my artistic brilliance? Here's a portrait to thank you! (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:31 am UTC (link)
	I prefer 'émo' or 'émotionnel,' but whatever. And I'm sad the original picture is so blurry, for I was so bloody awesome in it. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:33 am UTC (link)
	Aside from the emo/émo/émotionnel, isn't mine SUCH an improvement? (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:35 am UTC (link)
	No. (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:37 am UTC (link)
	... ... ... IHU cries (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:37 am UTC (link)
	YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUND A HAZEL (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:38 am UTC (link)
	THE HAZEL IS A LIE (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:40 am UTC (link)
	You... you don't know your colours. (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:46 am UTC (link)
	Goddammit, everyone is against me. Anyway, I can't make that color on PAINT.net! (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:48 am UTC (link)
	Pff. What fail skills. (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 02:58 am UTC (link)
	You're so meeeeeean. :( (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 02:59 am UTC (link)
	I do my best. :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	potterfreak0515 2009-10-07 03:00 am UTC (link)
	D: So I'm reading this book about the history of English. And they called English "promiscuous." And a "whore." So now I really really want to ship languages! (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 03:05 am UTC (link)
	:\| English doesn't have enough of a personality to be called such things! Enligsh is -- English is -- English is idiot-proof and boring. Like school. I call Latin/French! So incestuous. :D And cute little Italian is jealous of Latin. (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

potterfreak0515
2009-10-07 03:16 am UTC (link)

And cute little Italian is jealous of Latin.
OMG OMG I LOVE YOU THAT IS SO CUTE!

But English has variety! "Often we have three terms for the same thing - one Anglo-saxon, one French, and one clearly absorbed from Latin or Greek. The Anglo-Saxon word is typically a neutral one; the French word connotes sophistication; and the Latin or Greek word, learnt from a written text rather than from human contact, is comparatively abstract and conveys a more scientific notion." Some examples include:

fire, flame, conflagration
go, depart, exit
holy, sacred, consecration,
word, term, lexeme

tl;dr: Basically, all this word choice gives us a huge amount of flexibility and allows us to communicate mood and attitude through word choice much more effectively.

Also, the whole absorbing-other-cultures thing? That's totally Canada. That's right, Canada is the English of countries.

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scemo
2009-10-07 03:35 am UTC (link)

I very much disagree. English has many words, no question there, but it suffers from exactly that. There is little feel of what English is, since all the words are just taken randomly from other, more... self-respecting languages. I think I've already talked to you about that: English simply has no distinctive style, and I value style over nearly everything. Ergo, English fails.

Also, said variety gets counterbalanced by the lack of declensions/conjugations.

My point is -- so many English-speakers think that English is the best language, because English is the language with the most words. That's a stupid argument because the words don't have any quality. French beats English at the French words (really bloody nicer pronunciation) and German beats it at the Germanic words. And most languages have words of Latin/Greek origins.

Canada is the English of countries
Nice attempt at... getting back at me, I think? :) I'm not sure. But anyway -- you're forgetting the fact that there's Engilsh Canada (= America), French Canada (distinctive culture), First Nations Canada (also a distinctive culture), and immigrants. You can't really put Canada in a single entity, IMO, because it's too much of a cultural mosaic.

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potterfreak0515
2009-10-07 07:39 am UTC (link)

My point is -- so many English-speakers think that English is the best language, because English is the language with the most words.
First of all, I am by no means saying that English is the best language. I just don't hate it and am rather fond of it. I don't like it purely for the number of words. I do quite like the word choice - that there can be many words to express different nuances, feelings, attitudes.

Another part of the reason I like it - and this is such a stupid and girly response but whatever - is that I think it's kind of cute. The way it's a blend of other languages. That IS its style! The fact that it has adopted words and grammar from more than 350 languages (but not a single word comes from Lithuanian, oddly) is kind of adorable. I picture it sort of like a little kid raised by all the older languages. Using vast simplification and my limited knowledge of how English was formed, German and Latin and whatnot are the main parents until later they get a divorce (English IS a Germanic language, but the language has evolved pretty far away from German and the other Germanic languages) and Latin gets custody of English and they move in with French (the Norman invasion). Little English meets other languages and starts to adopt their customs and quirks because he looks up to them... I don't know... =/

the words don't have any quality. French beats English at the French words (really bloody nicer pronunciation) and German beats it at the Germanic words. And most languages have words of Latin/Greek origins.
You have completely lost me? What do you mean by the words not having quality? French words are better because they are pronounced more nicely? And why are German words better?

You can't really put Canada in a single entity, IMO, because it's too much of a cultural mosaic.
I'm mostly recalling a quote where someone was talking about how they used to live in Canada and their were like twenty different ethnic restaurants and it was really diverse. Or something. I don't know.

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scemo
2009-10-07 09:04 pm UTC (link)

Word choice -- Strange; me, I tend to classify them as "boring, normal" and "attempting-to-sound-intelligent."

Also, I think you're underestimating French vocabulary. (And I say French in particular just because I know it well enough for it to be obvious that you're underestimating it.) Like when you say "that there can be many words to express different nuances, feelings, attitudes" -- what kind of failed language doesn't have that?

Your second paragraph is irrelevant to just about everything. And being a blend of things isn't really a style; if anything, it's a lack of style.

A language isn't 'good' or 'bad' depending on where it comes from; rather, how it turned out. I don't like French 'because' it comes from Latin; I don't like Latin 'because' it was set by the Italy-dwelling Greeks. No, I like French because, of its own, it's a very lovely, very charming, and yet, often, very aggressive language. C'est polyvalent !

What do you mean by the words not having quality?
They sound stupid. You know, take Italian, for instance -- to form the language, they took words from all the different dialects and actually chose which one was the nicest; thence Italian's being so pretty. (For French, they simply said Speak Like a Parisian.)

French words are better because they are pronounced more nicely?
That, and they suit French, being French themselves. The language thus benefits from itself. (Strange thing to say, but true, if you think about it long enough to wrap your head around the vicious circle. [general 'you'])

And why are German words better?
German has style, is all, and its words are very German-y. I respect it for that.

English's German-derived words are so softened that the Germanic feel is lost. According to me, anyway. And English is general is so softened that not softened words would sound strange! (And this is why I'm against languages borrowing from each other too much.)

There are many restaurants from different cultures, sure, but we know they're from different cultures. It's not like we adopt them as being Canadian, or anything.

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potterfreak0515
2009-10-10 01:52 am UTC (link)

Just skipping to the main points because this debate is getting tiring.

Word choice -- Strange; me, I tend to classify them as "boring, normal" and "attempting-to-sound-intelligent."
In all languages or just in English? Either way, I think you're just being pessimistic.

Also, I think you're underestimating French vocabulary.
Quite possibly. I apologize.

They sound stupid.
=/ Honestly, I think you're just being very prejudiced. French words suit French and German words are German-y? Yet English - even though you admitted it changes the words it borrows (e.g. softening German words) - does not suit itself? That seem to add up.

And you mentioned earlier that you don't like it's lack of declensions and conjugations? Why is that such a bad thing? It's just different. That's why we have different languages! It's like me saying, "I don't like French because they make direct object pronouns go before verbs."

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scemo
2009-10-10 03:26 am UTC (link)

Just in English.

No need to apologize -- I was just pointing it out. :)

English changes the words but they're still from the other languages -- and this is especially the case with French words, where they're very awkward and (as I said) stupid-sounding in English.

What I said's that the lack of declension and conjugation works against the 'diversity' given by the wide vocabulary. I was merely refuting your argument, not saying it's a bad thing. (Though I think it definitely takes away from the language.) To "[not] like French because they make direct object pronouns go before verbs" is different, because there's no difference in terms of diversity.

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potterfreak0515
2009-10-10 03:38 am UTC (link)

English changes the words but they're still from the other languages
I still don't see the problem with that.

I still don't think the declension thing works. There is a variety in word choice, but not a variety in declensions. So? They're just different kinds of variety. A language doesn't need to have both to be considered various.

I think we're pretty much at a stalemate. These are just very personal opinions, and we're not going to convince each other of anything. =/

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	scemo 2009-10-10 03:41 am UTC (link)
	I agree about the stalemate thing. I just want to say (for the record and to have it clear) that: They're just different kinds of variety That's what I was saying. English has a bigger vocabulary but lots of other languages have the same amount of 'words.' Because of declension/conjugation, etc. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)

	thetardis 2009-10-07 05:33 pm UTC (link)
	Really good job on the teapot's reflection. I always fail at drawing metallic objects, the shiny is so hard to put into paper. :c (Reply to this) (Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-07 08:25 pm UTC (link)
	Thanks. Of course, having a visual helped. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)

	mrslovett 2009-10-08 04:29 am UTC (link)
	Oo, pretty. I like how the fox is flat and stylized while still having a lot of value ranges. And your tea pot has a very convincing reflection. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	scemo 2009-10-08 04:40 am UTC (link)
	Ah, thank you! I must admit the "flat and stylized" wasn't completely intentional -- it was the first time I made a 'real' drawing using colour pencils, so I wasn't too sure what I was doing. But I'm rather fond of it nonetheless. ^^ (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)(Thread)

	mrslovett 2009-10-08 07:22 am UTC (link)
	Okay, I figured that it might not be, but it certainly would pass for intentional. Just pretend it is and, voila, you're a modern artist! (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)

	maximuski.livejournal.com 2009-10-07 04:08 am UTC (link)
	the fox looks awesome! ("disegno" means "drawing" right? ^^ I hope I haven't forgotten my Portuguese/Italian mix-up xD) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	matt-writer.livejournal.com 2009-10-07 06:21 am UTC (link)
	Thank you! And yes, you're right about 'disegno.' :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start)(Parent)

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